Michelle Grattan talks with University of Canberra Vice-Chancellor and President Professor Deep Saini about the week in politics including the government refusing to hold a referendum on section 44, Kelly O'Dwyer’s fighting fund initiative, the representation of women in the Liberal party and the government’s preservation of the live sheep trade.

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