Michelle Grattan speaks with University of Canberra Vice-Chancellor and President Professor Deep Saini about the week in politics, including Victorian Liberal MP Gladys Liu’s interview on Sky News and the comparisons to the case of Sam Dastyari. They also discuss the government pushing forward with its bill to trial drug testing for recipients of Newstart and Youth Allowance, and the debate about Labor’s future policy direction.

Michelle Grattan does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.